|posted 12/17/2013 11:48|
|Skandhas are aspects of sentience in buddhist philosophy. The five skandhas are form, sensation, perception, mental formations and consciousness. None of them by themselves cause the "i" or "me" phenomenon.|
By buddhist philosophy, all five skandhas are said to be empty. The right word for empty is sunyata, which likely means that there has to be something fundamental, but it is very close to empty.
There is a deep philosophical reason why this should be true, which by itself has nothing to do with religion. To say something simple, if nature contained too many pre-defined forms, then it were too inflexible, and many general principles of nature couldn't work.
Thus we cannot simulate the essential in nature, without making the skandhas empty. Thus True AI also cannot be made without it.
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Devender Singh Rana
|posted 1/9/2014 11:58|
|Hey dude! where did you got all this ...heheh! Beware trav eastern ppl very tricky...They gonna make you go nuts ...smile. I know cause I live with them and sure share my native geographical region with them ;)|
Anyway these bloody khandhas are always very problematic. I mean if they happen for nothing then they are pain in...whatever and if they do happen for reason then still not a favourable thought I suppose. smile. You din't mean emptyness with that...eh? haha!
If you don't believe me, few khandhas (Ramayan) happen thousands of century ago and we 130 crores of us plus all others around the world still talking about them...Haha!. You just get involve in one kaandha and god knows how many more kaadhas you have to do or go through just for thar. ...smile
Great too find you here as well! Aint you thinking of creating some new khandha on your own ..eh? hahaha! Just kidding man!
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Devender Singh Rana
|posted 1/9/2014 12:24|
|Nothing get created by emptiness except emptiness. Its emptyness of evil or non-knowledge which form your outer I or we or me whatever and your inner intangible one as well, which is far off your material perceptions. But the basic remains the same. Or else its all magic and magic only entertain in theaters(illusions) not in real life(reality).|
Well let me ask why you can say if somebody knocks you down that he should appologize to you. Or you have some right regarding the matter. Isn't its a perception of different kind.
but who am I telling....my Monk from West ....no man! my hands down....smile.
|posted 1/9/2014 20:23|
|> Aint you thinking of creating some new khandha on your own ..eh?|
I'm only going to create sunyata, something similar to sunyata. Sunyata is, well, it is not much by itself. It's the structures it forms, which do the things. Now at first it kind of explodes, then stabilizes, then develops, and develops into skandha, a kind of small skandha. I mean, the first parts of it already work.
Now you may ask, why is that, playing god? No, it's only to understand, nothing more. Because this is the weakest point, what people understand the least. And it is why this is used to break through, this lack of knowledge, to destroy all good, as it is like a hole in human knowledge, the least defended.
> Well let me ask why you can say if somebody knocks you down that he should appologize to you. Or you have some right regarding the matter. Isn't its a perception of different kind.
Well, this has nothing to do with me. It's when someone does something not right against something. Results in lot of lies, and people believing them. And it's not even about people, it's about what they are made to believe, to give birth to destruction, without them knowing it. So knocking down me is not important, and i don't defend myself against that, if it is only about knocking down me.
Ninjas come here, do the fighting :)
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Devender Singh Rana
|posted 1/10/2014 00:13|
|> Ninjas come here, do the fighting :)|
Is that for me tkorrovi? ...heheh!
> I'm only going to create sunyata, something similar to sunyata. Sunyata is, well, it is not much by itself. It's the structures it forms, which do the things. Now at first it kind of explodes, then stabilizes, then
Okay if I have to interpret it as a reasonable statement, only possible explaination is ..like I say I create a vaccum in your life or you get it for yourself... I mean get distracted from everything of sorts. Then you don't have any goal left... might be the case if you have fullfilled all your ambitions ...then also the same thing arise. So you get emptiness of mind. Not that kinda mind though ...like mind it! ...smile. And at that time since your mind run non stops so it trace all paterns which you don't find time if busy, right? All the more cause if you know more than one language. Then that kinda explosion happens. You coin up vaarious intermix new words within your thoughts or say like go far on matphoring things. And since the outer atmosphere has been made so confusing so it infuse more on its own. I mean thats the kind of explosion a emptiness of something can create and one can only know if one got a chance to experience it in first place.
Else I don't think you can justify your sentence in anyway. This is weirdo explanation and it existr in this very word cause I am saying it. And even if you don't believe me then you know nothing can be generated out of nothing. There need to be some stimulant to think in some particular direction. And on this simple illusions ppl here play games...not saying what kinda...but something of sort.
But how does all this undermine the authenticity of my earlier simple statement that When we talk about sunyata (emptiness) then it means emptyiness of non-knowledge and that creates your outer I as well as inner I. Do you understand what I said here? Cause if you interpreting sunyata in above line then you gonna get struck here. Because that act itself comes under the non-knowledge and sure non-knowledge is relative term here as any other. Not some fixed criteria. And don't you argue with me my friend on this. Since you just can't fight me and I hope that you and everybody else in this world knows that for sure. Now is this statement of mine seems to be nonsense to you my friend. You trying to understand sunyata or whatever concept and I lived it ..and yeah sucessfully I think. I defeated even so call GODs on that ..haha! Or am I being nerd here Mr Western Monk? So don't fight me ..cause you can't win buddy. And if you still insist then what if I bring this whole world to sense..just like that. ...even bring out those mysterious souls or whatever power you say is incomprehensible by you(humans)? I live in multi dimension world dear. And these fucking explosion don't dome any harm. Not in the line one would like to believe it to be.
Anyway trav you so concern about well being of society and all. Do you have in you what we say ...I mean just can say hello to this world. I can bring them to you. Maybe you just have to say some good values you believe in and rest will happen by itself. I am not gonna let you loose and these duffer can't stand me. Cause I know how many roops (forms) they have and how they change from one into another....haha! I bowled every wicket here down....heheh!
My only question is what good you(world) are for? Whats so precious about you that one has to oblige to meet you. Anyway not right time to discuss it.
> Well, this has nothing to do with me. It's when someone does something not right against something. Results in lot of lies, and people believing them. And it's not even about people, it's about what they are
what do you mean by "It's when someone does something not right against something. Results in lot of lies, and people believing them." especially the phrase Results in lots of lie and people believing it?
> if it is only about knocking down me.
and why did you add it to end?
And yes you didn't told me about your that theory which nobody can't refute.. Honestly telling I am no philoshopher. My simple rule is to do best in whatever circumtances, that's all. If I have any weapon its honesty. I cut every illusionary web with it and sure it never let me down. seems like me getting inside itch for using word nevered..heheh! is it a valid english word?
Anyway I tell you a real life story of mine...a little bit...nobody ever responded to me except being just silent posing his/her head down..which makes itself a typical situation.
Once few year back I got in fight with all the locals here...something like that. I mean kinda whole city came alive at once to me. Everybody kinda knowing me...which for me at that time was just out of question...unbelievable I mean. Surely I wasn't some culprit here but still your mind runs to find probable reasons for it, no? Anyway during those days I use to get troubled for no cause or get benifited sometime for equally no reasons. So at least it tells you there something fishy going around your life. I mean its very complicated thing and its related to every second of my life that I lived upto that point. I have been in street fights during my youth or Polytechnic days (civil engineering) with all those gang wars, this country made weapon to even pistols and all. Never killed anyone but sure used it on occasions. Got hit many time so have hitted some very hard...things like that...every kinda nuisance you talk about of life here in this world. You know why I use Nicky as my nickname...its has a long story of its own. Remenber Nicky Cruz a novel... I just happened to get into all those nuisance at the very age and just within few days I got that novel through some friend of mine at my doorstep. You call it coincidence. But seeing things from here where I stand now...it just wasn't. Every weapon I got has some short of trouble with it..like somebody managing things for me...You know I even got passed myt second yrs polytechnic exams for free. I just left one whole paper and I got passed through it. I haven't even done questions totally the marks I got. I was in middle of some fight thing that I didn't feel like writing one so I quit. And my invigilator trying keep me there telling me answers and I bluntly refused him. Cause I just don't wanna do it. It wasn't the matter of my knowing the answers or not.
Anyway during those days of new recogniasance I was talking about. I just got so pissed by whole of my city...including my family members ...they started talking to you in indirect way I mean...what the heck! So one day I went to some nearby gomti nagar a developers colony. Thaty I stopped by at one what you call it ...crossing? ...for a cup of tea in near by stall and have a cigrate. Just across the street is situated police station of that locality and its a busy public route...where public transport runs...I think about 7.00 PM or something...just getting dark. But the road side cafe was busy there were ppls around it so were at the cigerate shope. And police station as well across the street. So since I was so pissed I Just dropped my head to handle of my bike to relax while tea was being prepared. I dunno exactly how much time I remain like that maybe few minutes at the most. But suddenly I realised there was no sound. I got curious ..raised my head and you see...there was nobody around me...it was all me standing by myself on lonely road, which was few minutes ago just as busy as could be of any metro city. Where did everybody go? I mean everything was as usual...the teapot still on fireplace..shop open...even cigrate shop...no police guard at gate...but just everyone vanished into thin air. Its kinda hollywood block buster theme...haha! I really am laughing now at that. But that time it just pissed me off more. I mean shock over shock....what was happening there.
And more importantly what I thinking now is how could all of them sneaked so quietly out of there and for what purpose? I just stopped my bike in front of shop ...4-5 feet distance... and now nobody was there except me and that even at prime traffic time. I still didn't get the formal explanation for that. Actually on that day I just picked up my bike and went away to where I was heading. I just went for a job..which I certainly did get without question. He din't asked me nothing...that's also amusing but not so given the circumtance I was facing...that was writern quite clear in his face. The structural designer I approched for the job I mean. The ppls who have been doing that to me ..can't afford to refuse me..or can they...just like they passed me on that day in that exam. I know why now...heheh! But I left it on that day cause water supply is the subject which we have in both 2nd and 3rd yrs so you get back paper if you can't clear it in 2nd yr. But some ppl passed me there itself. Cause they were the same ppl who get me into all that mess unecessarily. I was troubled by on that day.
You know you might have heard ..that babri majid demolition thing or this comunal roit and that...I have been there too. I am always at wrong place ..wrong time...smile. And I have a totally different comedial narration of event there contrary to whatever have been reported here in Indian media or aboroad.. So whom should I believe? Even what's the authenticity of you not knowing me already. ...then again why you posing like a stranger to me. Sure one reason could be playing your khanda thing with me and still getting the cover of some common unknown stranger...no? Or why else you think I didn't get involved into discussion here or anywhere. And these just tips of iceberg of my life. There are very moretypicaal and outopen case of my life here. And some other things that should never be said like that in public. I mean this kinda dynomo building that we talk about. A neuclear device. created by opposing force ..no? ..heheh! And I am gonna screw this device back into the ass of from where it came to me...haha! Or shouldn't I be doing it? I had a little verbal duel with somebody on net...I called her a liar...she was trying pose neuro thing. And the very next day I see you and will repeating the same phrase line. haha! is all that coincidence my friend or may I say some people can't live with me nor without me I suppose....smile. But I keep silent because of my ppl, my family...no matter how absurd it may seem but still I have some redovouz with our this world. And don't worry my friend I just know how to correct this one. But the thing it like your empty shandas, I don't have any desire or ambition to do it. Cause I know they been wrong since day one ..at leasr for last 15 yrs or so. And I have taken some very good decesions within this period and got mess in return. Maybe stakes here are too high for such pretty issues. Can you imagine what could they be? ...haha! even if you think I am some sort of nerd talking all this nonsense. You can talk so easily about low self things..animals and all...but I know them differently. So how could I disscuss things with you folks when my inputs and knowledge base is quite different then so called yours. Isn't that's one of your AI problemo...heheh! How everything revolving round me including every thought of mine.
So there's only few possible explaination of things. Either I am nerd..psyco. or either I am lying or you all are. First two are not a possiblity with me cause I know it. Nobody need a proof to know what he knows. I think that's clear. The only thing remaining is you all lying here...which matches your foolish or illogical utterances. Pls don't mind my direct talks. You need to handle more than that if this world really concerns you that much. With just this differientiation I got sidelined in everything cause now every talk of your ..logic of yours have become senseless for me. But its still the world whos doing monkey dance around me not me. As I told you...whenever I have to put to end all this... I'll just start from my local surrounding.. They knew me clear enough....I really squeezed some real balls here. That's why I said earlier to you..the best thing I ever did in my life since day one to be honest with myself. I even never competed with anybody but me. And with "me" here I mean the inner ideal ...best thing that I can dream of...and then I try compete with that than anybody else. That's how I keep my soul clean with no prejudice. Even on the day it all started happening around me...I never thought about anybody's fault which I can write thesis on if I came to that, but about the few thing I missed on by being to careless or carefree. And they you can count with your fingers you use to snap with...I mean just two...not talking about the whole hand. Or else I would have really fried up some ppls ass here real good....haha! But as you have a saying here...that you have to pay a price for being good here in this world. So be it ...I done that....now its your(worlds) turn...I got out from your messy maya thing quite comfortably if not best way. ;)
Anyway what you think about this whole event I told you about...How is that possible? And why did they sneak out. And why did this world go bonker after that...things like throwing chairs in parliment...I think first one were from japanese diet...then that flu get over here in India. Or these senseless bogus comedy..Why? Just cause of me....haha! That's funny ..if anything is. But anyway this way or that way doean't matter ...you tight one nut rest will follow. So what do you think ...this world really that foolish or everybody here secretly coniving ..some sort of nazi gang....and yeah why do nazi's have our hindu symbol on thier shoulder. And more importantly I downloaded Hitler book "Mein Kampf" or something ...and after few pages I smell something fishy...likea Nicky Cruz novel ...so I left it there. ..heheh another coincidence no? So when you faceing all kinda imaginary odds in real life then what is the authenticity of talking foolish nonsense. Or can I do it? How can you say something is white when you seening it black. You just can't lie to yourself, or can you Mr Monk. I even finished Dalai lama Ji... wanna meet him...heheh! I can arrange that for you. I have that much of credit in my personel card if goodness is anyvalue in this world. And if it not than its time they better learn some..cause they calling for trouble...from mans like me. U Understand what I am talking about? ...I must not scare you man...or my this post also gonna vanish...but memories remains....no? ...haha!
(Note: Lets see whats you thought about this foolish story of me or even myself as a person ...smile)
You won't find anyone crazier than me in this whole world ..Just I play crazy with myself only. And most importantly I was never like that. Justg have to become one. gracias this global world. And there lies (not lie okay! smile) my strength let you or this world or even GODs for that sake try me on that. ;)
And I even told GODs there itself I suppose ...if this gonna be the case to be brought to conclusion then at least this NickyBlue gonna be with Devender cause you or they might get lot supporter here but I don't have any but myself. So do wait for the things ...why so hurry...heheh! Can't your this world can play by themselves...I mean 7 billions -1, eh? Or is it really a matter of Identity crisis for ppls here btw? ;) Why don't you folks put a camera in my toilet as well ...haha ..that much for spying on things. I won't mind but if only done frankly and honestly, reasons you think of. I don't see for reasons if its applicable for all for whatever purpose, Or else you know what! ....heheh. Remember that baseball bat from AIDreams? ...haha!
You wanna know the most funniest thing ...this whole internet thing came into existence the very those days I was talking about....heheh! another coincidence...and most importantly I sensed things here so never been to any chatroom or forum but for brief initial period even after so much time. I think that's quite a problem for some as well. Just am here now...maybe since I have to go for final cermony...you know woh shivji ki baraat.. Your side has done that...I didn't go faint. Lets see how much this world can deal with thier own bhuts(past?) ..I am devotee of Shiva u c since my childhood ...just am fasinated by his looks if nothing else. I don't pursue religon by books but by my soul. Thats what true religon for a Hindu means. At least is my perespective.
3rd cya! ...smile waiting for sensible response...and with sensible I don't mean buttered one. ;) You know the same question I asked that lady and she just ignore it...that's how I know she was lying. All this is bullshit...and bullshit also stir one thought to react, no? And I don't like my world going down...so take care of them. And we'll have the deul you asking for...but not here man. That's for sure. I love taking my enemy down in his.her own turf! ...haha! does that sound like braig..oh its a name...smile.
And sure pls do explain this as well...In simple clear terms no jargons, right? Lots of things are just said and skipped along. Is not the way your whatever khandhas get polluted?...heheh!
> Now you may ask, why is that, playing god? No, it's only to understand, nothing more. Because this is the weakest point, what people understand the least. And it is why this is used to break through, this lack of knowledge, to destroy all good, as it is like a hole in human knowledge, the least defended.
|posted 1/10/2014 03:17|
|> I create a vaccum in your life or you get it for yourself... I mean get distracted from everything of sorts. Then you don't have any goal left...|
Yes exactly, at first it has no goal. So first it has to be taught what its goal is, then it tries to achieve that goal.
> And even if you don't believe me then you know nothing can be generated out of nothing.
Of course, but sunyata is not exactly the same as nothing.
> Whats so precious about you that one has to oblige to meet you.
It's not about me, it's about the thing.
> especially the phrase Results in lots of lie and people believing it?
Well, it's all about, what human is, and what human needs. They want to make people into machines. Certain people in america, talk to skeletons. Like the things like cavity probes, they tried to do one to one indian diplomat as well, but he didn't take it as something usual. Resulted in removing protection from the american embassy, and things.
> But suddenly I realised there was no sound. I got curious ..raised my head and you see...there was nobody around me...it was all me standing by myself on lonely road, which was few minutes ago just as busy as could be of any metro city.
It's just a parallel universe, the things here are just copied there. Some people are sometimes transferred to there and back ;)
> And I have a totally different comedial narration of event there contrary to whatever have been reported here in Indian media or aboroad.. So whom should I believe?
Believe media if you want carefully prepared ready made lies. If you want more raw lies mixed with some real truth, try to find out by yourself.
> And why did this world go bonker after that...things like throwing chairs in parliment...I think first one were from japanese diet...then that flu get over here in India. Or these senseless bogus comedy..Why?
That's all a part of the same thing i told. Certain people in america, want to reduce people, too. And they are deeply in india. Now when most people believe lies, if you don't, you are like in a separate world.
> some sort of nazi gang...
No no, it's wider, they created nazis and who were against, as a result got more power. They always do things that way, and this confuses people. This hooked cross is a symbol of the sun. And that on red means dawn. Dawn means, dawning of the new world, but before that is night, when the old world would be destroyed.
> And more importantly I downloaded Hitler book "Mein Kampf" or something ...and after few pages I smell something fishy...
You should learn to read such books and texts. They look nice at first glance, nothing said looks so bad. But if you read two things there, or one thing and other thing otherwise known, when putting these things together, you get an entirely different meaning, which is mostly something very evil. This is called synthesis, dialectics, and many texts are written that way.
> Can't your this world can play by themselves...I mean 7 billions -1, eh?
Well, this world is already dead. If the pacific ocean dies, can you imagine what that means? Even the oxygen that we breathe, most of it comes from the ocean.
> Why don't you folks put a camera in my toilet as well ...haha ..that much for spying on things.
Well, that's a part of the same things. Some information theory you may know, to control things, you first have to observe them. So how can you otherwise find out whether people do only the things which they are provided to do, and do them in the right way. So that they can be made to do the right things or not to do the wrong things, if any deviation is discovered. Otherwise it may happen that people own themselves, and cannot be handled as things. Btw how do you know that there is no camera in your toilet already? If there is a smart electricity meter in your house, and the light bulb in your toilet happens to be a smart light bulb, then what you do in your toilet may be recorded in a remote center. Smart light bulb means that you are smart when you use it, brings singularity.
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Devender Singh Rana
|posted 1/10/2014 07:25|
|That's my tkorrovi! I Am Impressed. At least you admit something...heheh! I might not agree to everything you said but still we gonna be good team together. ;)|
where you from trav? UK?
|posted 1/10/2014 07:51|
|Great :) No, not uk, the blody eurozone.|
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