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thebuddha2010
posted 3/16/2015  09:48Reply with quote
Why are so few posts answered on this forum?


tkorrovi
posted 3/16/2015  10:15Send e-mail to userReply with quote
You got the most detail answers, but it seems that you want to get only a certain answers. Thus it is like you know the answers you want to get, so why do you even ask?

Otherwise, the posts are not answered likely just because no one here knows the answer.

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thebuddha2010
posted 3/16/2015  13:46Send e-mail to userReply with quote
 
tkorrovi wrote @ 3/16/2015 10:15:00 AM:
You got the most detail answers, (detailed?)
but it seems that
you want to get only a certain answers. (answer)

Thus it is like you know the answers you want to get,
so why do you even ask?

Otherwise, the posts are not answered likely just because no one here knows the answe(probably)r.

 
Either:
1). Many (or all) of the posts on these forums are made by a-i programes.
2). Most posts are made by human beings who can't spell and have scant knowledge of basic grammar.
3). Virtually none of the posters knows what they're talking about.



thebuddha2010
posted 3/16/2015  13:48Reply with quote
Personally
I favour 3.


tkorrovi
posted 3/16/2015  14:05Send e-mail to userReply with quote
Ok, you don't like the people here like Keghn, their programming is poor, you don't like what the people here say. So what do you want, that here were all different people just because of you? Maybe then rather find a forum where are people who you like and go there. Going to places just to say that you don't like these places, this is the most senseless activity i guess.


useruser
posted 3/16/2015  22:23Send e-mail to userReply with quote
You make a valid point about less activity on the A.I. Enterprises site. The golden age for alot of the activity here was from around 2002 to 2007. Best I can tell, about 7 years ago the last of the A.I. staff called it quits and left Yaki mostly alone to keep this project running. I suspect he is pouring some of his own money into it and maybe they receive a scant amount of government funding. The basic problem was A.I. Enterprises set off to build turing's child machine and based on the model developed along behavioristic conditioning models they thought the immitation game could be achieved in the next 7-10 years. Since the project started around 14 years ago you can see why the fall off of post occured because many have called it quits. In effect, my hal David Swinton is about the only hal being trained along the lines Turing recommended.
As to the other current posters we are fortunate to have them. Many have divergent ideas and views but at the end of the day it is pointless to argue-if you have a idea, put it into action and let the results speak for itself. Finally, this site needs money-why the donation area is no longer up I don't know but I use to fund donations for many years of 25.00 a month. If we could get just 150 people to do this or some sponsors I am sure alot more activity could exist if there were staff to respond to post.

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thebuddha2010
posted 3/17/2015  10:56Send e-mail to userReply with quote
 
useruser wrote @ 3/16/2015 10:23:00 PM:
You make a valid point about less activity on the A.I. Enterprises site. The golden age for alot of the activity here was from around 2002 to 2007. Best I can tell, about 7 years ago the last of the A.I. staff called it quits and left Yaki mostly alone to keep this project running. I suspect he is pouring some of his own money into it and maybe they receive a scant amount of government funding. The basic problem was A.I. Enterprises set off to build turing's child machine and based on the model developed along behavioristic conditioning models they thought the immitation game could be achieved in the next 7-10 years. Since the project started around 14 years ago you can see why the fall off of post occured because many have called it quits. In effect, my hal David Swinton is about the only hal being trained along the lines Turing recommended.
As to the other current posters we are fortunate to have them. Many have divergent ideas and views but at the end of the day it is pointless to argue-if you have a idea, put it into action and let the results speak for itself. Finally, this site needs money-why the donation area is no longer up I don't know but I use to fund donations for many years of 25.00 a month. If we could get just 150 people to do this or some sponsors I am sure alot more activity could exist if there were staff to respond to post.

 
Thank you for your comprehensive answer, useruser.

What we call "intelligence" is replicated biologically.

Attempts to develop A-I attempt to build "intelligence" mechanically.

The human mind can only function within the limits of its ability

There are no answers or solutions because there are no questions or problems.

The best compromise has always been through art.


tkorrovi
posted 3/17/2015  20:27Send e-mail to userReply with quote
 
thebuddha2010 wrote @ 3/17/2015 10:56:00 AM:
There are no answers or solutions because there are no questions or problems.

 
I would say that now no one understands you. You may have an original point of view, but if it is such that you cannot explain it to others, then you are alone with your great view which only you know, and you almost like don't exist for anyone else.

Art, then what about fundamental art, this is related to all kind of fundamental research.

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thebuddha2010
posted 3/18/2015  10:20Send e-mail to userReply with quote
 
tkorrovi wrote @ 3/17/2015 8:27:00 PM:
I would say that now no one understands you. You may have an original point of view, but if it is such that you cannot explain it to others, then you are alone with your great view which only you know, and you almost like don't exist for anyone else.

Art, then what about fundamental art, this is related to all kind of fundamental research.

 
Thanks for replying, tkorrovi.

I'll try to explain my understanding.

A baby learns to repeat the loving sounds which the mother murmurs to it.

The mother listens to the baby.

Eventually the mother senses that the baby is repeating (reflecting) the "same" sound.

At this moment a mutualisation occurs
and the mother says to the father
"The baby Understands!!!"

This is the default of all human understanding.

Trying to understand art is beyond me at present.


tkorrovi
posted 3/18/2015  15:40Send e-mail to userReply with quote
Yes you see, all is about modeling. The baby models the sounds which it doesn't know, later the words which it doesn't know. There is what is the most important, this modeling happens only by the information received from the senses, this requires an immense flexibility. Later the baby also gets feedback from the people near it, it starts by reactions that the baby considers positive, such as a smile. A positive reaction confirms to the baby that its action done by its model of the world, is correct. Thus this modeling happens by interaction with the environment.

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thebuddha2010
posted 3/19/2015  10:26Send e-mail to userReply with quote
 
tkorrovi wrote @ 3/18/2015 3:40:00 PM:
Yes you see, all is about modeling. The baby models the sounds which it doesn't know, later the words which it doesn't know. There is what is the most important, this modeling happens only by the information received from the senses, this requires an immense flexibility. Later the baby also gets feedback from the people near it, it starts by reactions that the baby considers positive, such as a smile. A positive reaction confirms to the baby that its action done by its model of the world, is correct. Thus this modelling happens by interaction with the environment.

 
Thank you tkorrovi. I value your posts.

When I use the word "mutualising" I suppose in a different understanding I mean "modelling".

The development of linguistic understanding in a human being can only be
unique to that individual.

My "understanding" words are mine only.

It is a convenient fiction of our species that we linguistically "understand" each other.

Both the individual and its society require this fiction to function.

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thebuddha2010
posted 3/23/2015  10:23Send e-mail to userReply with quote
I know that I'm "wrong".
But I'm doing what you all are doing:
Trying to make sense and understand.

Help me!


spyketheboy
posted 3/23/2015  19:20Send e-mail to userReply with quote
lol


spyketheboy
posted 3/23/2015  19:23Send e-mail to userReply with quote
 
tkorrovi wrote @ 3/16/2015 2:05:00 PM:
Ok, you don't like the people here like Keghn, their programming is poor, you don't like what the people here say. So what do you want, that here were all different people just because of you? Maybe then rather find a forum where are people who you like and go there. Going to places just to say that you don't like these places, this is the most senseless activity i guess.

 
Respect its all we need, the articles sources its on internet, the books its on the libraries and stores. wtf the OP are talking about, he is like whatever computer scientist here post their top secrets projects details, chill bro...


tkorrovi
posted 3/23/2015  21:05Send e-mail to userReply with quote
Yeah, here are people who are here. If one would like it to be different, well, the people here cannot help.


thebuddha2010
posted 3/24/2015  10:22Send e-mail to userReply with quote
 
tkorrovi wrote @ 3/23/2015 9:05:00 PM:
Yeah, here are people who are here. If one would like it to be different, well, the people here cannot help.

 
Nearly all of the species want "it" to be different>
And as IT evolves things will be extremely different.


nicku
posted 5/2/2016  17:00Send e-mail to userReply with quote
 
thebuddha2010 wrote @ 3/24/2015 10:22:00 AM:
Nearly all of the species want "it" to be different>
And as IT evolves things will be extremely different.

 
We don't get many replies because many of the more serious mind/body philosophers work exclusively within academia and most other people are just too stupid to have an opinion. We are biologically hardwired to be rigidly limited by the illusion that is consciousness.

As I've said before, does a biologist ask a cow if he wants to explore why a cow does something. He does not. To ask a human, what is consciousness, is equally bound by the limitations of our mental processes. You are attempting to use the thing which your are studying, to expain the thing that you are studying, the supreme example of a conflict of interest, if ever I saw one.





It's a very hard subject because we are not designed to take the mind apart, normal life is pretty much destroyed, even when you get deeper in to philosophy of mind and psychology. There's a great deal to recommend leaving AI alone from a practical point of view. Trying to live your life, talking to those in your immediate circle/family, when you've realised many years ago that they and you, don't actually exist in the way that you thought you did, is very problematic. If you're reading this and thinking what a load of rubbish, congratulations, you've still got all of the positive benefits of the illusion of consciousness, treasure it.

I just want to add, if you succeeded, how would you know, based on your current definition of consciousness. Until you make a break from you assumptions and realise that there's no concrete thing that consciousness is, you'll never be able to succeed. You and everyone else will have the scepticism of the mind of others, because it is a machine. When you accept that there is no difference between acting as if you existed and actually existing, your work will begin to achieve real gains.


Cheers, Nick.

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